EA Assessor said my career episodes as intern are not suitable for professional engineer - what to do?

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Dear Applicant,

I notice all your career episodes are from an internship period which was for a short duration of time. During this period you were working under the supervision of your manager as not an independent engineer. Through the episodes, competencies are not demonstrated to support a professional outcome as a Telecommunication Engineer. I have also noted your CPD does not support the outcome either as there is no indication of skills development as a Telecommunication engineer

In this situation you can rework on your episodes. However please note the final outcome will depend on the skills demonstrated through the episodes and does not guarantee any particular outcome.

Alternatively you can get assessed as an Engineering Technologist.

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Please note that the cdr is fully based on telecommunication engineer where the mentioned above as a supervision and independent engineer is the basic stuff that need to be done by an engineer when working out a project to report to the senior. I dont know why the assessor said that is irrelevent to the professional outcome. Can i call the assessor and ask what is the specific info he is looking for....if we submit as well what are the chances of giving me the positive putcome....


can anyone answer my question please.... @MysticRiver please
 
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Dear Applicant,

I notice all your career episodes are from an internship period which was for a short duration of time. During this period you were working under the supervision of your manager as not an independent engineer. Through the episodes, competencies are not demonstrated to support a professional outcome as a Telecommunication Engineer. I have also noted your CPD does not support the outcome either as there is no indication of skills development as a Telecommunication engineer

In this situation you can rework on your episodes. However please note the final outcome will depend on the skills demonstrated through the episodes and does not guarantee any particular outcome.

Alternatively you can get assessed as an Engineering Technologist.

..

Please note that the cdr is fully based on telecommunication engineer where the mentioned above as a supervision and independent engineer is the basic stuff that need to be done by an engineer when working out a project to report to the senior. I dont know why the assessor said that is irrelevent to the professional outcome. Can i call the assessor and ask what is the specific info he is looking for....if we submit as well what are the chances of giving me the positive putcome....


can anyone answer my question please.... @MysticRiver please
First of all, you need to revise your CDR. There are certain skills mentioned in the ANZCO for Telecommunication engineer, make sure the are all applied in your work. e.g, as a civil engineer I demonstrated each skill required including planning, supervising construction, designing, testing material etc. in my work experience.
Secondly, even if you are trying to show that this specific work was done as a team, you still have to mention that I did this, I did that etc.
Third, try to give details of separate projects. I feel that work experience has more weight than university projects.

Moreover I am attaching a few samples for electrical engineering I have just for your review. Make sure you make your own episodes mentioning particular skills required for telecommunication engineering and do not copy a single line as plagiarism can cause rejection too.
 

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thanks anaa for your reply....i made perfectly on my experience, it was an intersjhip but he said that i was supervised and not worked as an independent engineer. here supervision is an engineer reporting to the manager after compateing the project, taht all i mentioned.....whcih is the basic stuff for every engineer to report the work carried out. What can i do, can i call EA and request what the assessor wants?
 
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thanks anaa for your reply....i made perfectly on my experience, it was an intersjhip but he said that i was supervised and not worked as an independent engineer. here supervision is an engineer reporting to the manager after compateing the project, taht all i mentioned.....whcih is the basic stuff for every engineer to report the work carried out. What can i do, can i call EA and request what the assessor wants?
Well I don't think it will help. He is already very clear what he wants.
He wants to have competencies demonstrated to support a professional outcome as a Telecommunication Engineer.
As according to him there is no indication of skills development as a Telecommunication engineer.
What I can help is you may share your CDR with me and I can review it and tell what exactly is lacking.

When I first submitted my CDR, they gave almost same kind of response that you are lacking the skills which Civil Engineer should have. Then comparing it with other samples, I realized where I did wrong and submitted 3 new CDR and got assessed.
 
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I agree with @Anaa450. Calling your assessor will not suffice as the CO has already given his views about your application. So better review your CEs and know the roles and responsibilities required to get assessed as a Professional Engineer. Read the MSA guidelines and plan on how you can incorporate in your scope of work. Unless, you want to go ahead and get assessed as an Engineering Technologist. Display your competencies adequately as EA is particular as far as outcomes are concerned in the recent days. Also, the CO has given you an opportunity. Hence, make a good use of it and construct your CEs meticulously. Take your time before re-submitting your application to ensure that your CO will be satisfied with the reply.
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Well I don't think it will help. He is already very clear what he wants.
He wants to have competencies demonstrated to support a professional outcome as a Telecommunication Engineer.
As according to him there is no indication of skills development as a Telecommunication engineer.
What I can help is you may share your CDR with me and I can review it and tell what exactly is lacking.

When I first submitted my CDR, they gave almost same kind of response that you are lacking the skills which Civil Engineer should have. Then comparing it with other samples, I realized where I did wrong and submitted 3 new CDR and got assessed.



thanks anaa...thank you

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@Anaa450 thank you for helping me out....i am alone and stressed, i dont know what to do brother.....please help me if you can...
 
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I agree with @Anaa450. Calling your assessor will not suffice as the CO has already given his views about your application. So better review your CEs and know the roles and responsibilities required to get assessed as a Professional Engineer. Read the MSA guidelines and plan on how you can incorporate in your scope of work. Unless, you want to go ahead and get assessed as an Engineering Technologist. Display your competencies adequately as EA is particular as far as outcomes are concerned in the recent days. Also, the CO has given you an opportunity. Hence, make a good use of it and construct your CEs meticulously. Take your time before re-submitting your application to ensure that your CO will be satisfied with the reply.
All the best.

thank you brother
 
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thanks anaa...thank you
Please don't post your CEs here bro because you would not want to battle through plagiarism in future. You can PM the concerned person, exchange emails and send through the email.
 
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@Anaa450 thank you for helping me out....i am alone and stressed, i dont know what to do brother.....please help me if you can...
I know this could be very stressful situation as I have been through similar concerns in the recent past. Calm yourself down and understand what your CO wants. You will be the best judge to know your CEs well. Highlight your work rather than the team work. How you have overcome the difficulties by applying your technical knowledge learnt in the theory and what new things you learnt in the process. Go through some threads on skills assessment in this forum. They will definitely give you some insight. The CO must have given you a deadline, so don't be in a hurry to submit. Be satisfied and then submit your reply before the deadline.
 
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I know this could be very stressful situation as I have been through similar concerns in the recent past. Calm yourself down and understand what your CO wants. You will be the best judge to know your CEs well. Highlight your work rather than the team work. How you have overcome the difficulties by applying your technical knowledge learnt in the theory and what new things you learnt in the process. Go through some threads on skills assessment in this forum. They will definitely give you some insight. The CO must have given you a deadline, so don't be in a hurry to submit. Be satisfied and then submit your reply before the deadline.

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I deleted your CEs and CPD. Consider them as confidential documents and never share it with anyone else, online or offline, unless you are absolutely confident about that person, let alone in an open forum.

And we do not allow exchanging personal contact inside a forum post.
 

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I deleted your CEs and CPD. Consider them as confidential documents and never share it with anyone else, online or offline, unless you are absolutely confident about that person, let alone in an open forum.

And we do not allow exchanging personal contact inside a forum post.


How can I get in touch with that person??
 
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Well I don't think it will help. He is already very clear what he wants.
He wants to have competencies demonstrated to support a professional outcome as a Telecommunication Engineer.
As according to him there is no indication of skills development as a Telecommunication engineer.
What I can help is you may share your CDR with me and I can review it and tell what exactly is lacking.

When I first submitted my CDR, they gave almost same kind of response that you are lacking the skills which Civil Engineer should have. Then comparing it with other samples, I realized where I did wrong and submitted 3 new CDR and got assessed.


Is there anyway I can get in touch with you?
 
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How can I get in touch with that person??

While we encourage all communication to be done in this open forum, if you must, you can try writing him in his/her profile and see if he responds.

Disclaimer: I don't recommend exchanging personal contact over the internet.
 

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Alternatively you can get assessed as an Engineering Technologist.
If you feel that you are not sure about the demonstration of the skills required for the occupation of a Professional Engineer, then why don't you go ahead with the occupation code of Engineering Technologist as suggested by your assessor. @jasmeet can give some insights here. He got an outcome as an Engineering Technologist, applied for TAS under 489 and got invited.
 
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If you feel that you are not sure about the demonstration of the skills required for the occupation of a Professional Engineer, then why don't you go ahead with the occupation code of Engineering Technologist as suggested by your assessor. @jasmeet can give some insights here. He got an outcome as an Engineering Technologist, applied for TAS under 489 and got invited.

This is my second cdr first one I have already got technologist and applied 189 not getting invited but since I have studied and skilled in telecommunication, applied it now. Does tas 489 what is the eligibility?
 
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This is my second cdr first one I have already got technologist and applied 189 not getting invited but since I have studied and skilled in telecommunication, applied it now. Does tas 489 what is the eligibility?
Okay. What are your total points. Please update your timeline here for others to understand. Is there any scope for you to improve your total points? If you check the January, 2019 results for 2339XX, Other Engineering Professionals with 75 points and DOE 24/10/2018 got invited for 189.
 
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Does tas 489 what is the eligibility?
You need to apply separately by showing availability of job opportunities, commitment to stay in Tasmania, your study on various aspects like weather, expenses, family and friends ties etc. Not sure, if you have to show funds. You will find the detailed information on Tasmania state website. I would await for comments from @jasmeet on this.
 
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Okay. What are your total points. Please update your timeline here for others to understand. Is there any scope for you to improve your total points? If you check the January, 2019 results for 2339XX, Other Engineering Professionals with 75 points and DOE 24/10/2018 got invited for 189.

70 points
 
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